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beat poem, square poem and poem  cadmium  1 Jul 18 3:48PM Thread Closed

beat poem is a rhythmic comment on the world passing by in its, as larry ferlinghetti said, "curious shoes." also, angry, like corso being mad at the world for running over old men, gasoline trucks careening down NYC streets, with too much power and mass, gasoline trucks destructing.

square, is when you complain about or praise someone to someone else. whatever style is there is going to be about being smart and sanitized from anything like the above.

poem, is just when your wording looks like the way your brain and body work in unison to dance out on the page and read like music. the author's music.

re: beat poem, square poem and poem  unknown  2 Jul 18 8:38AM Thread Closed

square is just mean daddy O.  breath in the citrus

re: beat poem, square poem and poem  rivergood  2 Jul 18 9:38AM Thread Closed

is beat poetry the  same as underground  poetry

re: beat poem, square poem and poem  cadmium  2 Jul 18 3:03PM Thread Closed

no, it was a genre coming from a post-ww2 experience of just being 'beat down' by history and society. it was a kind of anarchist-theologic hybred, where you invented the religion you wanted in order to conform to a code of non-conformist ethics and mores. basically, you invented yourself as a free person, but also a social person, identifying with the beat down people of the earth. it was informed by 'zen', fed with cheap wine and whatever-spaghetti and involved just hanging out with friends. music was be-bop jazz -- thelonious monk -- and 'folk music' and delta blues... emotional music. its poetry was a singing of visions and curiosity. it was very eclectic and intellectual. so, you could find something in t.s. eliot while thinking he was pretty square.

'underground poetry' depends on the poet, but current underground is similar to beat poetry but without the music and soul.

> is beat poetry the  same as underground  poetry

re: beat poem, square poem and poem  cadmium  2 Jul 18 3:05PM Thread Closed

> square is just mean daddy O.  breath in the citrus

yeah, i wasn't saying it, but square is university professor and frozen-balls lawyer prose for people too busy to read a novel type stuff.

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